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  Some Bethelites are Jackasses

  by Old Goat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rachael de vienne is one of the authors of separate identity, a history of the watch tower's earliest years.

  she's received low grade harassment from the watchtower for years.

  she posted about it on her personal blog.

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  Old Goat

  Simon,

  You obviously haven't read Schulz and de Vienne's bio of Barbour. You made up your mind based on the title. In "watchtower parlance" that marks you as foolish. You are mislead by your tendency to rush to judgment.

  Assume some personal responsibility and avoid posts you know will upset you.

  A supporter of Penton? Who? Me? Dr. de Vienne? be more specific. I don't see anything on this post that supports Penton - or on de Vienne's blog post.

  I have no problem recommending Penton's books. The third edition of Apocalypse Delayed is excellent. First edition not so much. I may not always agree with him, but he as the academic credentials to write the book. So do Schulz and de Vienne. And you? not so much. You make things up and decide you've struck intellectual gold.

  If you disagree with Penton or with the content of Schulz and de Vienne's books, support your opinion with some facts. Start with reading the books. Something you so obviously have not done.
  
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  I am the very model of a modern major general ...

  by wifibandit in

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  http://i.imgur.com/e490el3.png.

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  Old Goat

  Not our C. T. Russell, wrong county, a place he never lived. But keep looking.
  
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  Some Bethelites are Jackasses

  by Old Goat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rachael de vienne is one of the authors of separate identity, a history of the watch tower's earliest years.

  she's received low grade harassment from the watchtower for years.

  she posted about it on her personal blog.

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  Old Goat

  She is obviously leaving details out. she says she is.
  
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  Some Bethelites are Jackasses

  by Old Goat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rachael de vienne is one of the authors of separate identity, a history of the watch tower's earliest years.

  she's received low grade harassment from the watchtower for years.

  she posted about it on her personal blog.

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  Old Goat

  Rachael de Vienne is one of the authors of Separate Identity, a history of the Watch Tower's earliest years. She's received low grade harassment from the Watchtower for years. She posted about it on her personal blog. She 'tweeted' Penton's good review of Schulz and de Vienne's biography of Nelson Barbour. The Towerites can't touch Penton, so they harassed her.

  http://wardancingpixie.blogspot.com/
  
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  New edition of APOCALYPSE DELAYED

  by panhandlegirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a new third edition of apocalypse delayed has been released.

  this may already have been discussed or may be old news but i just saw it on youtube.

  mr penton, the author, says he has included jws attempt to deal with 1914 and their new light on the governing body being faithful and discreet slave in this new edition.

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  Old Goat

  Have you tried addall.com? or bookfinder.com? Might be cheaper.
  
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  New edition of APOCALYPSE DELAYED

  by panhandlegirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a new third edition of apocalypse delayed has been released.

  this may already have been discussed or may be old news but i just saw it on youtube.

  mr penton, the author, says he has included jws attempt to deal with 1914 and their new light on the governing body being faithful and discreet slave in this new edition.

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  Old Goat

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVrHwS2LNjE
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  New edition of APOCALYPSE DELAYED

  by panhandlegirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a new third edition of apocalypse delayed has been released.

  this may already have been discussed or may be old news but i just saw it on youtube.

  mr penton, the author, says he has included jws attempt to deal with 1914 and their new light on the governing body being faithful and discreet slave in this new edition.

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  Old Goat

  See video below
  
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  New edition of APOCALYPSE DELAYED

  by panhandlegirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a new third edition of apocalypse delayed has been released.

  this may already have been discussed or may be old news but i just saw it on youtube.

  mr penton, the author, says he has included jws attempt to deal with 1914 and their new light on the governing body being faithful and discreet slave in this new edition.

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  Old Goat

  I read the earlier editions and I will read this. Everyone should. I also recommend Schulz and de Vienne's Separate Identity. It focuses on a much narrower time period and only volume 1 is in publication, but the research is stellar and eye-opening.

  http://www.lulu.com/shop/b-w-schulz/a-separate-identity-organizational-identity-among-readers-of-zions-watch-tower-1870-1887/paperback/product-21546337.html
  
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  Have you preyed?

  by username in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i thought i'd post something that breaks from the ongoing australian slaughter house lol.. so let's pretend we are doing the new thursday night item that has replaced local needs.

  how has jehovah helped you?

  (translated you should be effing thankfull to us 7 men!

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  Old Goat

  I've never preyed on anyone. I pray on occasion. This made me laugh. Typos are a way of life. ...
  
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  Have you ever shunned anyone after leaving the borg ?

  by Clambake in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this isnt particularly a jw question but if anyone knows the world of shunning it would be ex-jws.

  i have a friend who about three years ago had an abortion and i havent been too friendly with since that happened.

  i havent said anything or done anything rude to her.

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  Old Goat

  Even before I resigned as an elder there were few disfellowshipped people I wasn't kind to. It's unchristian to be unkind. Period. But yes, there are some "out of the truth" I will not associate with. An example is my brother. He's a self-entitled abuser of women, a drunk and cruel. I see no reason to treat him nicely. Correctly, yes. As my best buddy. Never.

  Sharing a rejection of the Watch Tower does not make me the friend of anyone with an abusive personality. Part of good judgment is to be selective in our associates. Being outside Watch Tower control, we can make our own choices. But being outside Watch Tower dictatorial and mindless control does not free us from the responsibility to make good choices in associates.